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  • #16591

    David Crabill
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    Because of the licensing requirements that some venues have, they wouldn’t be able to serve your homemade cake and there wouldn’t be a way to get around it, aside from using a different venue. Sometimes venues will allow a homemade cake, but they’re doing so illegally. The language in the law literally states that food establishments cannot serve something that was made in a home. If they do not have any ideas about how to allow your cake, then likely none exist.

    #16554

    David Crabill
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    Anu, what state do you live in?

    #16530

    David Crabill
    Keymaster

    Jess, I understand your concerns and I know it’s frustrating. You can imagine how all of the small local bakeries felt when the cottage food law got passed… what was the point of them going thru all the setup effort a year or two ago?

    In addition to the CFOs that are bending the cottage food law, there are many many more that are ignoring the law altogether. They sell PHFs without any attempt to get licensed, and that practice is common throughout the US.

    I think you can see that going after a few CFOs to get them shut down won’t change much and won’t help your business. And it probably wouldn’t work anyway, since the health dept is usually super busy. In fact, if you started operating illegally, it’s very very likely that the health dept would never catch you unless pressured to do so. When Mark Stambler (who helped start the law) got a writeup in the newspaper and got shut down, I don’t think it was because the health dept thought his business was unsafe or should be shut down — it was because if they didn’t shut him down, then they would be publicly seen as not doing their job correctly.

    So is it worth it to follow the law and restrict your business in doing so? It’s your business and you need to be the judge, but I’ll say that by following the law, you protect yourself. If you find yourself in court someday (and I hope you never do), you’ll be standing on much firmer ground as a legal business rather than an illegal one. Do you want the one sale that goes wrong be one that happens via shipping? But while it’s true that most people adhere to laws only due to fears of loss, the primary reason I would choose to follow the law is based on principle, not fear. I know that there will never be enough policemen to micromanage people into doing what’s expected of them.

    By the way, it’s interesting to see how you’re using Etsy while still following the cottage food law. Would you mind sharing what percentage of new customers you get from people finding you on Etsy?

    #16529

    David Crabill
    Keymaster

    Well in that case, my latter comments stand. She should be able to help you because she’s family, and you should be able to be her employee. If I’m mistaken about this, I’d like to know. But sometimes health depts are mistaken too.

    #16528

    David Crabill
    Keymaster

    You can sell certain types of goods that don’t require refrigeration using this law: http://forrager.com/law/south-carolina/

    You can sell lemon pies, but not lemon meringue pies, since those require refrigeration.

    The farmers market may also have requirements beyond the cottage food law. You may also be interested in reading this: http://forrager.com/faq/#starting

    Let me know if you have more questions.

    #16495

    David Crabill
    Keymaster

    Krystle, am I understanding correctly that you want to make your CFO products at your mom’s shop? That wouldn’t be allowed. You can only make products for your CFO from your own home. In fact, the entire production process, including packaging and labeling, should be contained to your home and shouldn’t happen in your mom’s shop. Then you would sell them to her and deliver them to her shop, ready to resell. So that’s how your business will need to operate — entirely separately.

    Now assuming that your CFO stuff is all done at home, I don’t see any reason why you couldn’t help your mom in her shop and work for her. As far as I know, it would be possible for a CFO to run their own side business and also work as an employee at a bakery, for instance. If that CFO then started selling their products to the bakery and ended up effectively reselling their own product, I don’t see why that would be a problem… if anything, it would be much closer to a direct sale, with a personal interaction with the producer and which the health dept generally sees as being safer.

    If a CFO cannot also be an employee of a food establishment, then I’d be interested to know what law supports that interpretation. It’s actually very common for employees to choose to branch out and start their own business on the side.

    And thanks for sharing the info about your mom’s business… that’s a side of the food industry that I’m fairly ignorant of, and it’s good to learn more.

    #16470

    David Crabill
    Keymaster

    No matter how small your business, you still need to go through all of the proper licensing procedures. If you can operate under the cottage food law, you wouldn’t need a permit from the ag dept, but you may need other permits. http://forrager.com/faq/#starting

    Chocolate should be allowed under Ohio’s cottage food law. The only thing that could be a problem is that you may not be able to sell to a business. You’re supposed to be selling to the final consumer, and that individual would be informed that your products are homemade via your label. Obviously a business card would have the intention of being consumed by someone else, and that may mean that you need to use a commercial kitchen. http://forrager.com/faq/#commercial

    You should call the ag dept for a definite answer to your question.

    #16469

    David Crabill
    Keymaster

    I’m not sure if MD’s cottage food law allows spices, but I do know that you can’t sell online, nor could you sell interstate. To do those things, you need to use a commercial kitchen: http://forrager.com/faq/#commercial

    #16419

    David Crabill
    Keymaster

    Yes. With few exceptions, anything beyond the cottage food industry requires a commercial kitchen. But using a rented kitchen and selling at others’ venues should still be relatively easy in comparison to setting up your own shop.

    #16395

    David Crabill
    Keymaster

    The health dept is correct. You are a CFO, and your mom would have to be a food processing establishment. Since a CFO can’t be a food processing establishment (by definition in the law), you can’t both be in the same business. It is possible to do what you want to, but you need to create two separate businesses — one for you and one for your mom. Your mom will have to adhere to much stricter standards than you will, and it should be much harder and more expensive for her to setup her business.

    It’s possible that your mom could still be your employee and help you make the food product at home, but I’m not sure about that.

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